Today’s guest is Elon mosk, I cannot believe that he is here.

You can feel that excitement in me.

Most welcome Elon glad to see you here.

There are some questions in my mind about AI. You know, everybody now is aware of the impact of AI in our world. Actually, it changed our world, but

It seems that you are a bit frustrated with that , You were one of the biggest contributors early on. What happened?

The reason, I am the reason OpenAI exists

How much money did you investment in AI?

, so I’m not sure the exact number, but it’s some number on the order of $50 million. So the hot, man, fate loves irony next level. So I used to be close friends with Larry Page, and I would stay at his house, and we’d have these conversations long into the evening about AI, and I would be constantly urging him to be careful about the danger of AI, and he was really not concerned about the danger of AI, and was quite cavalier about it, and at the time, Google, especially after their acquisition of DeepMind, had three -quarters of the world’s AI talent, they had obviously a lot of computers and a lot of money, so it was a unipolar world for AI.

And we’ve got a unipolar world, but the person who controls that did not seem to be concerned about AI safety, that sounded like a real problem. And then the final straw was Larry calling me a speciesist for being pro -human -conscious instead of machine -consciousness, and I’m like, well, yes, I guess I am, I am a speciesist, and

So right, you helped to the creation of AI. You just made an investment of $50 million.

Yes, more than help, they wouldn’t exist without me.

I came up with a name, the name OpenAI refers to open source, so the intent was  what was the opposite of Google would be an open source non -profit, because Google is closed sourced for profit, and that profit motivation can be potentially dangerous.

There is a question arises, shouldn’t you have some level of control perhaps? Shouldn’t you take control of the company for that amount of money.

Yeah, I fully admit to being a huge idiot here. So, anyway, so OpenAI was meant to be OpenAI open as an open source. It was created as a V1 T3. And so part of it is also, in the beginning, I thought, look, this is probably a hopeless endeavor.

How could we possibly compete with, how could OpenAI possibly compete with Google DeepMind? I mean, this seemed like an ant against an elephant, you know, which is not a contest. And I was also, I mean, I was instrumental in recruiting the key scientists and engineers, most specifically, most notably Ilya Sutsker.

In fact, Ilya went back and forth several times because he would say he’s going to join OpenAI, then Demis would convince him not to, then I would convince him to do so. And this went back and forth several times, and ultimately he decided to join OpenAI.

In fact, Ilya went back and forth several times because he would say he’s going to join OpenAI, then Demis would convince him not to, then I would convince him to do so. And this went back and forth several times, and ultimately he decided to join OpenAI.

And really, Ilya joining was the linchpin for OpenAI being ultimately successful.

Don’t you get bothered? Other than you didn’t make any money out of this, you know as I recognized, it was actually the exact opposite of why you gave the money for.

I do think that there’s some, look, it does seem weird that something can be a non -profit open source and somehow transform itself into a for -profit closed source. I mean, this would be like, let’s say you’ve funded an organization to save the Amazon rainforest and instead they became a lumber company and chopped down the forest and sold it for money.

And you’d be there for like, well, wait a second, that’s the exact opposite of what I gave the money for. Is that legal? That doesn’t seem legal. And if it is, and in general, if it is legal to start a company as a non -profit and then take the IP and transfer it to a for -profit that then makes tons of money, shouldn’t everyone start, shouldn’t that be the default?

And then I also think it’s important to understand the, like, when push comes to shove, let’s say they do create some digital super intelligence, almost godlike intelligence. Well, who’s in control? And what exactly is the relationship between OpenAI and Microsoft?

And I do worry that Microsoft actually may be more in control than, say, the leadership team at OpenAI realizes. I mean, Microsoft, as part of the Microsoft investment, they have rights to all of the software, all of the model weights, and everything necessary to run the inference system.

So essentially, Microsoft has got a great deal of control over AI.

At any point, Microsoft could cut off OpenAI.